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On February 21st, 2012 in News

DICE is working on tweaking a lot of weapons in the next Battlefield 3 patch, and we’ve now gotten some kind of idea what those changes will be. Battlefield 3 designer Alan Kertz (who supposedly left the BF3 team?) has released a weapons change list to the guys over at Symthic.com. The list shows that almost all weapons will get some sort of adjustment, both damage and accuracy wise. Here’s a roundup of the changes (you can see the full list here).

  • All assault rifles get min damage raise from 17 to 18.4
  • All sniper rifles get “one hit” kill in distances under 15 meter
  • All bolt action sniper rifles will get min damage raise from 55 to 59, and max damage raise from 75 to 80.
  • Shotgun buckshot max damage from 20 to 12.5
  • Pump action shotgun frag rounds max damage from 60 to 67
  • Auto shotgun frag rounds min damage from 10 to 5 (not 100% certain)
  • SMGs and PDWs: all have increased min. damage
  • .44 magnum now has new “1.25x upper chest damage multiplier”
  • G18, M9, M93R pistols get recoil reductions
  • All LMGs get min damage increase (varies from weapon to weapon)

Note that this is still preliminary data and that not all changes might make it into the final patch. We recently reported that the patch that was originally scheduled for February has likely been pushed to March.



130 COMMENTS & TRACKBACKS

  1. alan
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:14 pm

    If they don’t nerf the usas with frag rounds, I’ll be mad
    nuff said

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    • Implied
      February 21st, 2012 at 6:31 pm

      That. I was surprised the USAS Frag wasn’t singled out for a specific change.

      That apart, are they planning to make it so that we just Equip whatever Weapon looks the prettiest? >.>

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      • liar
        February 21st, 2012 at 7:33 pm

        I really hope this isn’t all they are doing.

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      • Oh- Excuse me?! EXCUSE ME?!
        February 21st, 2012 at 10:17 pm

        Yeah, what the hell is that all about? Not highlighting a change most of the community has been asking for for some time now?

        If they don’t nerf the USAS for all the whiners, I’m pretty sure there’s gonna be a major shitstorm.

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      • Jedidiah Byrd
        February 22nd, 2012 at 9:07 pm

        Ya, I see what they tried to do with weapons using the same bullets having similar ballistics… But it DOESN’T WORK for a game like this. Give us back the Bad Company 2 guns! they felt soooooooooo right. Don’t you remember the 1911 or saiga? I mean the vibrations and sound just hit the spot in that game, the bullets felt like they had some insurance behind each shot!

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        • Scylla
          February 29th, 2012 at 3:35 am

          hellyeah! i liked how they managed to show the recoil of a gun. ever shot the xm8 or the m249saw in semi auto? how the gun like bounced a bit, like it hit the shoulder or something? AWESOME FEELING. sometimes i still play bc2 instead of bf3 cuz of the FEELING the game had. only the p90 in bf3 gets me back there everytime. bc2 needed the guns from bf3 with feeling from bc2 and it would be perfect aint it

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    • TheBarron
      February 21st, 2012 at 10:39 pm

      Dont forget snipers are one hit kill within 15m….
      Yup, quick scoping is going to be in battlefield because of this… i give up on life -_____- Mario Party here i come!

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      • Fire
        February 21st, 2012 at 11:33 pm

        Auto shotguns frags are being reduced in ROF = nerf.

        If you get killed by a sniper at that close of a range, you definitely need to get better. Suppression = no accuracy for a sniper.

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        • :3
          February 22nd, 2012 at 5:47 pm

          lmao! yea, good thing that we have a constant and accurate flow of surpression with the awsome netcode that tracks every bullet (etc.)
          ummm not.

          feel free to play a few round of bc2 on pc and youll see how “awsome” and fair this change actually is.
          its af fucking ghetto shotgun with slugs and a 8x zoom.

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        • (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
          February 22nd, 2012 at 9:11 pm

          i will be no scoping every USAS mofo i see in the game…gotta say tho, currently, using sniper rifles in close quarter effectively actually takes skills.

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    • Jvepps
      February 22nd, 2012 at 7:12 pm

      If your being killed by the USAS12 with frag allot, you may be playing to much metro. I find them fine atm. I rarely get killed by them.

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  2. umadbra
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    i’ll continue to whore out the usas in operation metro

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    • bret
      February 21st, 2012 at 6:46 pm

      dumb ass people like you are the reason why they needed to add
      the voting a player off in consoles.

      …i know for a fact if they nerf only the usas than you ll will be switching
      to jackhammer.

      learn how to play dick face.

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      • umadbra
        February 21st, 2012 at 8:13 pm

        u mad cuz my kd/r is better than urs? go play mw3 because you’re such a casual gamer.

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        • Bloody Ghillie
          February 21st, 2012 at 8:31 pm

          I’m pretty sure you should go to MW3, the BF community doesn’t give two-shits about kdr, its about teamwork.

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        • Trollzor
          February 21st, 2012 at 8:41 pm

          Your K/Dr is high because you give people no mercy with that shitstick you use all the time on every map, every game mode. They call it the U SUCK AT SHOOTING-12 for a reason just point and pull is all you do. I bet you have 85 service stars for that shit. Go back to MW3 kid we want teamwork not your useless ass.

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        • bret
          February 21st, 2012 at 9:07 pm
        • liar
          February 21st, 2012 at 9:50 pm

          The BF community SHOULDN’T care about kdr. But they clearly do. That’s one reason why have a game full of lone wolfs and people farming metro for stats.

          Guess it’s partly DICE’s fault for 1.Making the game appeal to the mass market, 2. making the meta game more fun than the actual game.

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        • bret
          February 22nd, 2012 at 12:00 am

          i agree with you bloody ghillie.

          but it sucks that i usually play with people who dont look at the mini map
          to see oh my squad member needs ammo or securing the perimeter for me to revive someone.
          or my favorite. jump in the driver seat and drive away as im trying to fix a
          vehicle.

          …yeah bf3 sucks at being a team work game.

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        • umadbra
          February 22nd, 2012 at 12:23 am

          goes to show how much of a life u got bret lel. go outside faggot

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        • maxbox99
          February 22nd, 2012 at 11:23 am

          @umadbra

          Says the guy wgo cares so much about K/D ratio.

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        • (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
          February 22nd, 2012 at 9:12 pm

          @umadbro

          U MAV MOTHAFUCKER?

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        • I Love Bf3
          February 22nd, 2012 at 10:25 pm

          4200 kills with the famas? You have absolutely no skill in Battlefield 3. I suggest you get some friends

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    • ezio
      February 21st, 2012 at 7:02 pm

      YEAAAH!

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    • ezio
      February 21st, 2012 at 7:03 pm

      YEAAAH!

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  3. Jan
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:15 pm

    “.44 magnum now has new “1.25x upper chest damage multiplier” Finally! Been waiting for this since everytime i shoot someone with one bullet they ALWAYS have 9% left. Every. Damn. Time. Go try for yourselves, shoot a guy in the chest with the magnum get killed and watch his hp.

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  4. Ol Ron Reagan
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    They don’t need to nerf anything, I’m pretty sure if you got shot with frag rounds, you’d die. Simple as that… You want BF3 to be realistic but you want every gun to be the same, wtf?

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    • liar
      February 21st, 2012 at 7:41 pm

      If realism and good gameplay are compatible, then by all means. Where the former is messing with the latter….

      gameplay > realism

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    • WIGGLEZ
      February 21st, 2012 at 8:21 pm

      I am pretty sure if you got shot with anything in this game, you would die. That goes without saying genius. But frag rounds carry no more explosive than a frag grenade, or an 85mm mortar, or a 120mm tank round.. You mean to tell me that the frag round is more powerful than a TANK round? YAHHHH… makes sense.. You can juggle guys with frag rounds, after they die from the first shot.. Yet, guys can take 3-4 tank rounds, and not die.. let alone be lifted off the ground and flipped in the air multiple times.. get it fckn right

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      • Fire
        February 21st, 2012 at 11:37 pm

        Nah, you just suck with tank rounds.

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    • i like pies
      February 21st, 2012 at 11:27 pm

      if you wanted a realism in battlefield 3 why dont we have reduced mobility when wounded, harder to aim, Snipers killing you one hit to the chest, head and torso area upto 500m with semi and 800 with boltactions, instead of surviving a 7.62 or a .338 rounds to the chest and 60m when thats never gunna happen. Alouth to mkae snipers 1 hit kills they would have to nerf the scope in speed and make it non accurate till after close to a few seconds and have the bipod slightly shakey until breath is held and go back shakey when its not that would be alot better. An Reagan if you want realism the rockets need to have more explosive because even on hc with full health u have to shoot the ground twice infront of you to kill yourself.

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      • Ol Ron Reagan
        February 22nd, 2012 at 1:36 am

        I myself want realism. I want one shot sniper kills, I want a challenging realistic game. I know most people disagree, but I think it would make for a better game.

        And if you get hit with a frag round you’re dead, end of argument, sorry.

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        • AJ Beamish
          February 22nd, 2012 at 2:09 am

          And if you hit someone with a frag round in an enclosed space from a short distance away, in all likely hood, you’ll be dead too.

          Here’s the thing, if you want realism so bad, why are you playing games?

          Realism does not translate well into a multiplayer shooter, it will be solely about the douchebags with the best internet connections and twitchiest trigger fingers griefing everyone else. It will be about 20 minutes of scouting a map only to die in one second and have to restart at your spawn point… 20 minutes later, same result. Or should we go with the ultimate in realism? PERMADEATH! Don’t get mortally wounded? OK, medic patches your leg up and you spend a month not playing because your toon is in a virtual MASH unit recuperating. Yeah, be careful what you ask for Old Ronnie Ray Gun, you might just get it.

          In real life I can twist my neck to quickly check my 6 and not have to swing my entire body around and face that direction to do it. How do you simulate that effectively in a game? What about peripheral vision? How do you simulate that in a game? Once again, realism does not translate well into a MP shooter. And it won’t until they figure out how to pipe the game directly into our noggins and even then it will be a long shot.

          It’s not about realism, it’s never been about realism, it’s always been about balance.

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        • TOCS
          February 22nd, 2012 at 6:46 am

          If you want realism so badly, Battlefield is not your game. Go play some PR or ArmA..

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        • i like pies
          February 22nd, 2012 at 8:03 am

          then go play arma2 series dude u cant get a more realistic game than that

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        • dgsdgsdgdsg
          February 23rd, 2012 at 3:23 pm

          that guy who posted that super large bullshit post is so badass! YAY! GO WRITE MORE BADASS SHIT!!! PLS INCLUDE BLINKING UR EYES AND BREATHING MANUALLY INTO MP SHOOTER!!!

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    • Pr0faker
      February 22nd, 2012 at 1:27 pm

      Do you even know what real frag rounds do? please look it up before spouting such fucking nonsense.

      It’s the retardedly big splash damage that makes it such a gay ass gun in metro, just point at stairs put ya ammobox next to you, randomly fire from safe distance and rake up kills. THAT’s why they need to change the frag round, not only on the usas12 but every shotgun.

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    • RVABIN
      February 22nd, 2012 at 3:14 pm

      If I shoot you in the head with a M9 in real life you will die as well… This doesn’t happens in the game almost 90% of the time.

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  5. DA BIG MAN
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:16 pm

    good tweaks but the USA-12 frag rounds need to be nerfed a lot

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    • J35T3R
      February 22nd, 2012 at 6:13 am

      you ovousily havent been camped in on metro usas clears the campers out calling for it to bee nerfted again already is stupid also mav lift nerf is stupid because the sniper is totaly defenceless when boosting get some skill and use somthing to combat it ie a 320 or an rpg or even a grenade will do the trick pple calling for nerfs need to go back to cod

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      • JuveOG
        February 22nd, 2012 at 5:51 pm

        Just frag rounds man and it’s really fucking annoying everyone who wants it nerfed is correct its a very cheap gun metro gets ruined because of that gun actually round I don’t mind the buckshot n what not I only use the usas to counter fags that are so bad that they can only use that Im not saying I’m an amazing player I can’t snipe to save my life but seriously let’s tone it down

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        • pmacchase
          February 22nd, 2012 at 10:10 pm

          metro was ruined from the start. shittiest fucking map dice has ever pulled out of the hairs on their ass.

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  6. HARD BANANA
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:18 pm

    they should add the gun m95 sniper its in bc1 and bc2

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    • ezio
      February 21st, 2012 at 7:04 pm

      it already has M98…y u wanna add M95 for….

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      • Anon
        February 21st, 2012 at 7:31 pm

        The M98 is not a .50 cal like the M95 was.

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        • Kingrarr
          February 22nd, 2012 at 4:26 am

          The M98 holds the record for longest confirmed kill. The .338 Lapua round has amazing ballistics, do some research.

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        • GuerillaMatzilla
          February 22nd, 2012 at 6:46 pm

          I’m pretty sure the L115A3 holds that record, but it does use the same .338 Lapua Magnum round.

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  7. HARD BANANA
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:19 pm

    TWEAK THE FUCKING USAS-12 FRAG ROUND BITCHES

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  8. phill
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:20 pm

    jesus… expect to be instakilled with everything now….

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    • M98B ewb
      February 21st, 2012 at 6:41 pm

      Real life sucks, doesn’t it?

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      • Your Friendly Neighborhood Poster
        February 21st, 2012 at 10:32 pm

        Balance over realism, unless it’s a game aimed at total realism. BF3 aims for balance AND realism.

        Having BF3 bullet damage where it’s so realistic that every time you get shot, you either die instantly or can’t walk…that would be pretty boring for a game like Battlefield.

        Don’t get me wrong; I’m not saying total realism games like Arma are bad. I’m just saying that BF3 isn’t intended to be a complete realism game.

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        • J35T3R
          February 22nd, 2012 at 6:24 am

          and nerfing everthing in the name of balance is not boring jeasus take a look snipers now there will be next to no difference apart from bolt vs semi m9 god pistol is op as it is now its gona be even more op 416 is getting nerfed making m16 only sutible alternative come off it you crybabys have alot to answer for make the guns have advantages and disadvantages instead of all the bloody same ie some fire faster some have a bigger mag some shoot further etc atm they are pretty much all clones of each other

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  9. BattleFRAG 3
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:22 pm

    They should get rid of all weapons and vehicles we don’t need them we have Auto Shotguns that shoot 105mm shells..GOD I LOVE THIS GAME!!!

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  10. ZoM_Head
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:31 pm

    Seriously dice, as a PC gamer and owner of 3 servers (two 64 player and one 16 player) for BF3 alone, this is so bad. We admins have zero tools to monitor suspected players. These one shot instant deaths….are they cheaters? are they bugs in the game? how can we tell? Animations are buggy, 15+ players crash and leave the server at the end of the round (a bug) and so on.

    I appreciate that we get some weapons tweaks, but with no voip in game and zero communication in random co-op (not even a text chat), no custom squads where players of 2 lock a squad and 2 people are left “squadless”, some serious hit detection issues for a lot of players. I mean seriously dice, you need a hail mary like the Alpha (was was freaking spot on, why did you change the coding? no idea).

    We want to support you (pc guys), but with so many bugs, no support, no basic admin tools and the rediculous amount of cheaters….it is becomming seriously hard…..

    Work you’re magic dice, this “big patch” should be you’re moment to show us you can perform miracles.

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    • Kill Skill
      February 21st, 2012 at 7:57 pm

      I play on 360 and there’s no cheaters but PC is full of cheaters and hackers.

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      • Implied
        February 21st, 2012 at 9:06 pm

        Don’t start this again. Console has Hacks and Cheats too. To a lesser extent, but they do.

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        • liar
          February 21st, 2012 at 9:54 pm

          lol. Seriously. It’s downright fantasy to think there aren’t cheaters on the consoles.

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        • Fire
          February 21st, 2012 at 11:42 pm

          The only cheaters consoles would have are the rapid-fire controllers. Which, in battlefield, don’t do much. Unless you’re suggesting that “hackers” regularly packet edit, and the servers don’t catch it, then you have never seen server-side programming in your life. Consoles have no hackers, just some noobs that mod their hardware.

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        • Your Friendly Neighborhood Poster
          February 22nd, 2012 at 1:00 am

          @ Fire

          No one wants to read a wall of text so I’ll get straight to the points;

          As consoles became, and are becoming more advanced, it gives hack coders MUCH more room to work with on consoles. PS3 and Xbox have software they can exploit for hacking purposes, while the Gamecube, PS1, first Xbox, etc. didn’t have such exploitable software for hackers to use.

          On the PS3 and Xbox 360, their ARE aimbots, wallhacks, multihacks, etc. in use in multiplayer console games as you read this. Just because you rarely see them, if you ever do, doesn’t mean they don’t exist.

          The reasons why you don’t see hackers everywhere on consoles is because of two major reasons:

          Legal Trouble
          Compared to a PC, hackers have very little legal room to work with on a PS3, and very little room in general. “Professional” hack coders are the ones that are coding and selling hacks for a variety of games on PC’s. They make certain that what they are doing is completely legal, otherwise they will have a multi-billion dollar company on their ass suing them. So as it stands, hacking a consoles software can have some serious legal repercussions to hackers.

          Creation and Distribution
          Consoles aren’t nearly as easy to code, sell, and maintain hacks on compared to a PC. They have very little room to work with, and even smaller legal room. Coding and distributing hacks on consoles, to the “professional” hack coders are simply not worth their while because of the pain in the ass it is, and the legal aspect of it all. It’s simply not profitable to them yet, and most of the “professional” hack coders wouldn’t dare step foot in illegal territory.

          Some of the hackers on consoles have actually had Sony come to their house with police officers and shut down their hacking operations, and confiscate their accounts and programs. One of the hackers was even sued by Sony for 1 million Euros.

          Because of things like this, and the other things I stated above, hacking on console is, as it stands, a ghost town. Possible? Yes. Has it been done? It has been done, and it’s happening somewhere right now in a multiplayer console game.

          If you still don’t believe me, look at these articles posted on PC world about PS3 hackers.

          http://www.pcworld.com/article/220740/police_raid_ps3_hackers_home_hacker_retaliates_sony_sues.html

          http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/216541/sony_asks_for_restraining_order_over_ps3_hack.html

          http://www.pcworld.com/article/219853/hack_your_ps3_forfeit_playstation_network_access_forever.html

          They may not be specifically related to aimbots and wallhacks on consoles, but it just goes to show that Sony isn’t letting hacking run rampant.

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        • liar
          February 22nd, 2012 at 4:42 am

          @Friendly

          Nice post. You have much more patience than I do. I was just going to say something along the lines of Fire talking out of his ass. But yours is more polite.

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      • AJ Beamish
        February 21st, 2012 at 11:30 pm

        WRONG, WRONG, WRONG. 360 is full of griefers and cheaters. I don’t even bother playing the objectives on Tehran Highway anymore. I just take out my MAV and harass the 3-4 snipers that inevitably end up on top of the elevated highway safely above the damage ceiling. I figure it’s better than letting them get a bunch of easy team kills.

        And last night I came across a douchebag performing this glitch;
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM9mM0P6d_o

        Except the douchebag I came across was having much greater success than the douchebags in the video. He was using the USuckAtShooting-12 with frag rounds and the splash damage was killing everyone while said douchebag was safely under the map.

        And herein lies the problem of announcing a patch and what will be patched and not actually patching the game within a reasonable amount of time. You give the douchebag griefers in this world plenty of time to pick up more tricks of their trade. So, the wonderful environment I started playing in, the one in which I added more people to my friends list in one month of playing BF3 than I did in two years of playing CoD, has devolved faster than the conservative base did after Obama got elected.

        If DICE does not fix this game soon they will loose customers. In the past three weeks I’ve met no really down to earth and cool people playing BF3, I think they’ve all left the game and are waiting for a fix (if they haven’t given up on it entirely,) and the fantastic people I have met playing BF3 are now playing more MW3 or other games.

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        • steve
          February 22nd, 2012 at 4:19 am

          Battlefield 3 is really starting to piss me off. The one thing that makes me mad is the MAV. I’m playing operation metro in rush, in the beginning you start outside and everything is fine and there is teamwork but then all of a sudden your at 30 tickets and my whole freakin team gives up and all go to sniper class and use the MAV instead of playing the game!!!! I am also fed up with people on Xbox 360 not talking, I know you have a mic please plug it in so we can get conversations going and actually win. Right now I fell back in to mw3 and black ops but if someone wants to actually game and play battlefield 3 right plus talk please add me: facedbydeath4

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        • AJ Beamish
          February 22nd, 2012 at 8:49 pm

          @ STEVE

          I’ve never had an entire team switch to Recon on Metro but I can see it happening. I am running across entire teams of USAS Frag rounders trying to pad their stats before the nerf on Metro. Half of them still can’t shoot for sh1t, even with the OP shotty.

          I use the Recon on Metro (with a silenced PP-19) because I can place my MAV or TUGS in the tunnel UNDER the B flag and it will spot the enemy for my team. This works really well if you’re on the US side and really does help the team catch the B flag. 9 out of 10 times I place it there we cap the flag within minutes.

          I think a lot of folk playing BF3 on the 360 are jaded from years of verbal abuse playing CoD. Don’t be so hard on them, it takes a while to get over the trauma of CoD abuse. And sometimes you don’t need to talk to someone to mesh.

          Last night I was playing with this one guy and after two games of squad’ing up we just got a feel for each other. Then when we spawned in we would do a few jumps to acknowledge each other and played on. We had this silent symbiosis thing going on and only ever acknowledged with a couple of jumps. After 4 games I got a friend request and I accepted it. And I had good fun the whole night, something I haven’ really had in BF3 in over a week. We sent each other a couple of friendly messages and I was using my mic, not sure if he was listening, it seemed so. It didn’t matter, I’m just glad I found another friend in BF3, silent or not.

          I’ll add you as a friend, keep an eye out for my request.

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        • a_randompretzel
          February 22nd, 2012 at 8:56 pm

          Steve, speaking from experience, I can say that a lot of Xbox players are usually in parties when they play. I usually don’t even bother throwing my mic in when I’m not with friends, because as you said no one ever talks. One of the downsides of BF3 in my opinion. Still, I’d rather take a completely silent lobby over some little butthurt 12 year old bitching and calling everyone a faggot. MW3′s community is probably one of the main reasons I switched to BF in the first place.

          That, and I figured it would be more skill than whoring noob weapons like MW is. Unfortuantely, with the USuckAtShooting-12 frags and the FAMAS, it’s slowly devolving from what I loved most in the beta. I hope that DICE fixes it soon, because I would hate to have another shooter exactly like CoD.

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  11. victor
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:33 pm

    please, the usas-12 frag rounds are frag rounds, do you expect in real life to even survive a normal shot with a usas-12? the gun is fine, that there are cowards using it everytime is different but still is a fair gun on what can be expected

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    • Implied
      February 21st, 2012 at 9:11 pm

      A Game that’s focused on delivering Realism =/= a Game that’s focused on being a Simulator. Battlefield isn’t a Simulator. If you want a Simulator, go get ArmA 2. Battlefield is a Game with Physics, there’s a difference, and that difference includes everything EVERY Game needs. Balance. The USAS is NOT Balanced. It needs to be. If they can’t balance it, they shouldn’t have added it in the first place.

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      • liar
        February 21st, 2012 at 11:13 pm

        The response from Implied is so much commonsense I have a hard time believing that anyone disliking the potential frag nerf isn’t for selfish reasons/stat padding.

        It’s not balanced and it takes absolutely zero skill to use, which just pisses off everyone who bought BF games instead of the other kiddy games precisely because much of it does depend on skil (not as much anymore with BF3). There isn’t even a point in bringing up realism once it’s acknowledged that there’s an imbalance.

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  12. plumokin
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:43 pm

    lol this is amazing, a few more tweaks and it will be perfect

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  13. Colt_Gun
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:51 pm

    You forgot the retarded attachment tweaks… Foregrips will make weapon min spread increase (yea I know, wtf right.) and Flash Suppressors will decrease recoil… -_- I swear to god this is turning into the biggest CoD rip off… I can see in the near future people running around quickscoping and 1 shot killing with Bolt Action sniper rifles, having a bullshit recoiless G18 as a secondary. Skyrim is looking better and better every time EA or DICE open their mouth recently.

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    • Majik
      February 22nd, 2012 at 12:31 am

      Battlefield 3 was always intended to be one thing; a COD killer. By that I mean a casual infrantry focused game expanded on a larger scale with vechiles added in, that was intended to draw COD fans away from Activision and onto the EA band wagon.

      As far as I am concerned the *True* Battlefield series died late 2006… R.I.P Battlefield

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      • Dan
        February 22nd, 2012 at 4:48 am

        Oh come on, both 2 and 2142 are still alive today.

        Also don’t count BC1 out. Everyone forgets that despite being console exclusive, we had a unique 5 classes and no health regen or killcams. Sure, we didn’t have 64 players but honestly, if that game had come to PC, it’s all any of us would play. Probably has the best balance I’ve ever seen in a BF game.

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  14. UrMom306
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:54 pm

    looks like i’m going to whip out the ole m39 emr with kobra sight for close quarter maps

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    • UrMom306
      February 21st, 2012 at 6:57 pm

      just a note on the one hit kill thing for under 15 meters, i heard the one hit kill box is going to only be upper chest. I’m still not sure but i’ve heard it was only for bolt actions…but if not, my previous comment about the m39 still stands :D

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  15. GMS 95
    February 21st, 2012 at 6:58 pm

    Higher level players need some new, strong guns such as:

    Barrett M468 (6.8mm)

    H&K 417 (7.62mm NATO)

    SIG 751 LB SAPR (7.62mm NATO)

    SIG P220 (.45ACP)

    FN FNP .45 (.45ACP)

    TOZ-194 (12 Gauge)

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    • Anon
      February 21st, 2012 at 7:34 pm

      Finally someone who enjoys good guns and not the trash USAS that everyone uses now.

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    • Pr0faker
      February 22nd, 2012 at 1:47 pm

      I would rather have the FN five seven then another.45 pistol.
      the barret 468 isn’t produced anymore due to technical problems, but they made another weapon based on that ammo. for the rest its a good weapon which packs more of a punch then the 5.56.
      And please no more 7,62 noobsnipers…
      same goes to the shotgun, we already have 2 pumpaction shotguns that are pretty much the same.

      Also they won’t add a 417 when they have the 416 already. they didnt add the scar-L for a reason.

      I personally miss the steyr aug and ACR bushmaster. Both highly reliable and used a lot.

      for the rest the tweaks to the boltaction I applaud. I hope the one hit kills for all snipers will not happen. The semi auto are the same caliber round as the scar-h!
      They should not make those g18 and m93r even more annoying then they already are, if you think they have high recoil you just suck at playing with them. M9 most certainly needs absolutely no buff.
      Frag rounds need to be nerfed.

      the rest are tweaks that aren’t neccesary, but may help me kill off those players that are left with 0%to 5% after millions of hits.

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      • Colt_Gun
        February 23rd, 2012 at 10:50 am

        I agree. There is no point in adding another .45 pistol. The M1911 is too good, it would make any other handgun of the same caliber completely meaningless. A Five-seven or GSh-18 would be soo much better. More variety that way.

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  16. yardley
    February 21st, 2012 at 7:29 pm

    yea they should make the m39 ebr a 2 shot kill

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  17. XboxGamer
    February 21st, 2012 at 7:49 pm

    It doesn’t matter how much DICE fixes the game. There is no cure for corner camping shotgun-running-around Call of Duty camping garbage. Back to Modern Warfare 3 with you!

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  18. Bogie
    February 21st, 2012 at 7:53 pm

    God I hope they allow freelook whilst manouvering in an aircraft.

    Maybe we can get TrackIR working at last?

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    • Sonicboom53
      February 21st, 2012 at 8:58 pm

      Hold up on the D-pad. If you’re playing on console. Not sure what it is on PC.

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      • Pierogi210
        February 21st, 2012 at 9:58 pm

        I think its right click with your mouse and look around.

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  19. Kevin Blueberry
    February 21st, 2012 at 8:35 pm

    I like the one-hit snipers at close range. I mean, it seems kind of unfair to get a hitmarker with a bolt-action from 5 feet away.

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    • Magga
      February 21st, 2012 at 9:32 pm

      Personaly i think this just will encourage quickscoping. If they can one shot, i want my lmg to at least be able to get oneshot-kill on the head

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      • Johnny Neat
        February 22nd, 2012 at 8:35 pm

        Agreed, no excuse for surviving a head shot by any weapon.

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  20. motoxer913
    February 21st, 2012 at 8:41 pm

    Please nerf the MAV so when people are attempting to kill by flying people over and they smash it into a wall it actually does damage to the MAV. Ridiculous you can ram that thing into a wall on Operation Metro over and over again and does no damage to it. Same thing when running it into a person, it should do damage to the MAV and it should fall to the ground and take time to get back in control closer to what would happen IRL. These nerfs would make them slightly less annoying and bring more realism to a UAV’s capabilities.

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    • IRQ
      February 22nd, 2012 at 1:02 am

      or just remove the ability to roadkill with MAV’s altogether.

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    • pavelbure
      February 22nd, 2012 at 3:06 am

      I want a nerf in the engineers ability to carry around so many rockets. It’s seems humanly impossible to carry that many and a gun and ammo.

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      • j35t3r
        February 22nd, 2012 at 9:02 am

        then make tanks die with 1 hit from rpg then lol

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  21. MOH 2
    February 21st, 2012 at 8:49 pm

    quick scope time

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    • rabbit187
      February 22nd, 2012 at 2:06 pm

      ACOG 4x + straight bolt = quick scope fun

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  22. Sgt. SuperSanity
    February 21st, 2012 at 9:24 pm

    Why exactly are the decreasing the minimum damage for buckshot?

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  23. wardindon
    February 21st, 2012 at 10:14 pm

    A lot of people leave bf3 everyday…

    Dice : please give new map asap

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  24. this game is broken
    February 21st, 2012 at 10:25 pm

    “note that all bolt action sniper rifles will get a one hit one kill under 15 M.” god dam now i have to deal qiuck scopers that why i left COD.

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    • Toothbrush
      February 21st, 2012 at 11:48 pm

      I think they are gonna use iron sights and go for one hit kill

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      • J35T3R
        February 22nd, 2012 at 6:18 am

        let the one hit kill fest commence yeharr bring it back to bc2 sniper time none of this emptying full mag on pple and they dont die

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  25. PaPaS DoNuTZz
    February 21st, 2012 at 11:57 pm

    Why is everyone so concerned about bolt actions? Christ people it’s only under 15 meters. It’s stupid how you can get hit by a .338 lapua round at point blank and survive. What’s the difference between the m98b and sv98 then? less bullet drop? Well that would only matter to those who sit on a fucking mountain 300+ meters away from the objective. and we all know how useful THEY are.

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    • rabbit187
      February 22nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm

      I actually like the like sv98 better than the m95b(just my opinion), the splash is more noticeable on the m40 & sv98(again my opinion).
      the only time me or my squad snipes is to kill another sniper usually between 400 to 600 meters any thing below 400 meters is not worth sniping you can easily pick them off with any low recoil assault weapon on single shot, anything pass 750 meters is not worth the waste of time the game will be over before they get a real kill or they’ll run out of ammo.
      no offense to the people that are real marksmen but most of all those people getting kills over 1000 to 2000 meters away are usually friends sniping back and forth on a hugh map, not helping the game move along.

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    • Bubbles
      February 22nd, 2012 at 4:09 pm

      Yeah Christ how dare They try to use the weapon for its intended purpose of sniping and reconassaince they should be out there using a shotgun or quickscoping am I right? I think it’s retarded that they’re adding a one hit kill at 15 meters people will just run around with their acogs or iron sights now it should be one hit kill at 200 meters in the upper body so snipers are doing their job and giving more use to those people on the mountain if you want one shot kills at close range do you can run around and misuse the weapon go play mw3 and 300 meters really isn’t that far away it’s the morons sitting around 600-900 meters that are useless (I’m speaking in game of course about the ranges)

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