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The infrared scope in Battlefield 3 is a powerful accessory that make it incredibly easy to pick out enemies — too easy, according to many players, who have complained about the IRNV’s abilities. DICE has listened to the complaints and confirmed in an interview with GameSpy that the scope will be balanced out in the upcoming patch. According to DICE Karl Magnus Troedsson:
“Based on player feedback, we have made some tweaks to the IRNV scope to make it more balanced with the rest of the accessories in the game.”
Troedsson added that they take all balance feedback seriously, but are careful not to overreact. The IRNV scope can be unlocked for most rifles, sniper rifles, SMGs and shotguns, and provides a wide field of view of the battlefield where enemies easily stand out.
this is very disappoint…
this defeats the purpose of unlocks, which is to gain advantage over your less superior counterparts
Not really no, since irv´s can be unlocked for allmost every weapon. And since its so good, all other scopes become absolete.
Less superior? You mean inferior? Less superior doesn’t make sense.
HAHA !! Finally! BAN IT!
Well done on ruining the Infra-red scope fellas it wasn’t inbalanced at all morons, there were clear disadvantages to using it which i dont need to explain, however, i play on a janky old telly and Infra-red allowed me to actually SEE enemies, now you’ve gone and ruined it completely because of some whining children who shout at the telly when they die. well done guys. On a lighter note, the british standard SA80 is immense!
Damn… people complain so damn much!!!
You say that as if it’s a bad thing, Don’t you want the game to be the best it possibly can.
There’s a difference however, between complaining about something which is actually broken (Flashlights) and just something which you think is annoying, trying to force the Devs to change it by trying to convince them its broken when its not.
That’s how WoW started going downhill…. Now its in the gutter.
It is also a good countermeasure for flashlights and lasers, so it isn’t that bad. Plus I’d say it limits your field of view considerably, which is its minus point. I personally have not found it op as flashlights.
Seriously. What was the problem? The IRNV is one of the coolest gadgets available in BF3. If you think its an unfair advantage, then unlock and use it. Weakening it down to the point where it no longer serves its purpose seems pointless and stupid to me. If anything, they should have made it so that you don’t unlock it until 250 kills or something (instead of the 100 kills its earned at now).
Whaaaa! I don’t like getting killed by enemies on BF3! Somebody “fix” that too!
Sorry, i dont want to shoot yellow spot in a beautiful game.
I say leave it as it is. doesn’t anyone know that the spec ops cameo reduces the effect of the infrared scope?
10 pixels or 90, you are still bright orange in a sea of green.
I’ve been using the IRNV for a long time. I initially disliked it, because I prefer the iron sight of a weapon. However, I gave the IRNV a try, and an hour later, I couldn’t put it down. I was hooked on it, and my K/D went sky high; I took out enemies I wasn’t even supposed to see.
It grew on me to the point where I don’t even give the other 17 scopes a try, because EVERYONE is using the IRNV. It’s so powerful, you can’t customize your loadout, because if you use something other than the IRNV, you’re screwed.
Hopefully they will find balance between usability and power, so that people can still continue using it, but with not as much of an advantage. I’d be more than willing to give the other scopes a try.
Wait, your KD going sky high is meant to make me WANT this thing to go un-nerfed? BF3 isn’t about KD unless you are playing TDM.
I think this attachement has its uses, I haven’t used it really yet and I am not fussed if they nerf it or not, but you getting a good KD isn’t a good argument for keeping as is, nor the opposite.
You think its useless, but you’ve never used it. But you think its useless anyway. Will you ever bother to find out if its really useless for yourself, or are you going to keep on saying about how you think its useless based on your lack of experience with it?
seriously, you’re a moron. It IS OP. According to DICE’s description of the damn attachment, it is “…for low or no light situations”. Let me guess that you’re one of the many countless douchebags online that abuses it and use it on maps that have immense lighting conditions such as Caspian Border, Firestorm, and any other map other than Tehran or the dark tunnel in Damavands Peak. So ok..you suck at managing a single a kill with any other scope we understand that, but hey there’s always COD mw3 for you to hop into and completely disappear from BF3. no one will miss you.
Could you please point out to me where exactly are there “low to no light” situations. Even Tehran Highway is lit like its day.
Simmer down, Francis. On Caspian Border and other maps with darkened warehouse points with multiple levels and offices and tons of crappy and containers, the IRNV scope is invaluable for clearing out enemies.
Stop pretending you know what BF needs more than anyone else.
The IRNV doesn’t make you a better shot or mean you will win every gunfight. It doesn’t stop bullets or give you eyes in the back of your head. You’re still vulnerable using it.
It does make snipers and campers think twice before firing across large oopen areas though.
Stop whining, DICE shouldn’t have to baby you cause you arent winning every match. That’s not DICE’s problem.
Even if everyone has IRNV, it still changes the gameplay dramatically from a tactical shooter to a Quake arena-like shooter, but worse.
Having it as it is right now simply isn’t enough.
The IR scope is the ugliest attachment in the whole game. Not to mention you’re just shooting at yellow blobs on a black background all the time like you’re freaking playing Duck Hunt or Pacman.
I don’t want to be forced to use an ugly weapon or look through ugly optics just because I’m handicapped without it.
If the IRNV doesn’t get nerfed, then almost everyone is just going to be using that same exact attachment. Zero weapon diversity. EVERYONE using the exact same scope. Is that what you IRNV defenders really want?
I don’t find it that everyone is using the same attachment, I have seen a lot of people with different stuff. I tend to like the IRV just because it is useful in CQC (cutting out the annoying effect of flashlights) and allows to take advantage of lighting, so if you are outside, you are overcast but you can see in the inside, allowing for a bit of visual cover.
I switch to 4X or 3.4X on larger maps anyways. The argument remains the same. You use it because you can see more! It simple. Later on with the same reasoning you can argue against higher zoom optics, For one having an LMG with high zoom on a narrow place allows you to mow down crowds of people.
Fact is holo and RDS allow for quick aim and to see the surroundings and that puts IRV scopes at disadvantage as it blocks out your peripheral vision, which limits your response to things you did not expect significantly, on the other hand it helps you see things you do expect. Also if that doesn’t make the game tactical I do not know what does. Certainly not giving everybody iron-sights. Making proper advantage of your kits is the key, so you have problems with IRV on other people, simply flank them. They won’t know what hit them.
I agree, and why should they nerf the IRNV when it already has just 1x zoom. Everyone can use it, so why complain? It’s the same for everybody, this is just stupid, it’s not broken, players just find it annoying. And personally i don’t see many IRNV users at all. So what the hell is this, this is bullsh*t!
It’s not bullshit at all. The fact that it “only” got 1x zoom that makes it so powerful. Atleast on one map for TDM called caspian border. With only 1x zoom you get a bigger picture of the whole map and can see everyone who is trying to cross you and flank. I would say that an increased zoom on it, atleast 4x, would narrow the range of the widh down so much, that IRNV users had to be more careful, and actually maybe spot someone before aiming. At the moment people doesnt even have to suspect someones position to see them.
On caspian border there are burning cars, smoke, trees, bushes and alot of bullshit firing from in between twigs and leafes because they saw a string of your hair sticking out of cover for .12 seconds.
And no, this isn’t just “annoying”. What I think is annoying is flashlights that can blind you in broad daylight from 20 meters afar, and laser that can also blind you when you just half-assed pointed it at your opponents chest. Still that’s nothing compared to the IRNV’s advantages. I think DICE is doing the right thing here.
You’re a fucking idiot. I’ve read enough posts like yours that it’s incredibly obvious that you abuse the hell out of IRNV and try to deny that it’s overpowered when it’s probably pretty obvious to you that it is as well. Tell me, do you only use the guns that you’ve unlocked IRNV on, or are you worried that it might be a bit too fucking obvious that you can only play using the infrared optics? Learn to play the fucking game how it was made, not with a cheap attachment for easy target acquisition.
Hey, you guys argue that it’s simple to unlock and use to counter it! Hell, you act as if all of the supporters of nerfing the IRNV (which is a shitload more than you bitches trying to keep it in game) have never even used the infrared scope when we fully know what the hell we’re talking about unlike you. I wonder why? But I suppose your superior logic can figure that out.
It’s good for spotting and killing campers on Caspian Border. That’s it. Now stop fucking toting the IRNV in every game you’re in so that you can keep your smega-smeared hands clean and play Battlefield 3 as it was designed. If you think Battlefield 3 was designed with IRNV in it, why the fuck do you think they’re already nerfing it?
The purpose of warfare is to win by any means, not to win “fairly” or “honorably”. So since the IFNV was an advantage before DICE ruined it, what was the problem???
The real problem they should be fixing is the OP flashlight, which somehow still blinds you even when you’re outside in daylight which isn’t realistic at all; and creating a back-blast area for rockets so that douchebags stop using them in close-quarter situations around friendlies.
Plus the destruction is pathetic compared to BC2, and there was all this hype that they were actually going to “increase” the destruction. The grenade launchers do no damage now for some reason, plus there is no point in being assault anymore since they removed the ammo box. Might as well be an Engineer at least then you have an RPG. What the fuck is this shit!!
So, play the game the way it was meant to be played? WITHOUT an attachment included with the game? Is that really part of your argument??? FAIL!
Nice try, retard.
How do you think we actually UNLOCKED the scope? I’ll tell you: by getting 100 kills with that weapon WITHOUT IRNV. So much for your “You can’t do shit without IRNV” argument.
Hint: Don’t ask your mom to write your comments, noob.
Learn to play the game how it was made? we aren’t the ones crying over an attachment. it’s like crying because a douche shoots you with a ballistic scope, should they then remove that to just because you don’t like it? i loved the IRNV, specially on Metro when playing conquest, and your on the loosing team, re-spawning in the bank or whatever that building is, cause then you will be spawn-killed by 12 bitches spamming rockets and sniping at you, i always used my shotgun, with frags and IRNV scope, to take out the campers in the buildings, so we would have a gram of chance to get the fuck out of there! now we have to run out there and hope for the best. thx DICE
the only weapon I use the IRNV on is my USAS12
thanks for your feedback.
IRVN makes folliage useless, no matter how chick the bush is, so this is good as long as they “balance it” right
I disagree, I use IRNV and I can’t see someone hiding in brush unless I spotted them and they have the little red dot above them (PS3). Know the truth before you post B.S. (P.S. personal opinion, anyone *calling* for upgrades should be shot)
Either you’re on the dope or your TV color is fucked.
IRNV scope definitely helps you see into foliage.
I only whore IRNV on maps with lots of foliage (Caspian border).
Know the facts before you post.
It doesn’t actually, all it picks out are the bits of the body not obscured by the foliage you couldn’t see without it.
What?
The scope’s strength is spotting people prone in bushes. Their glowing orange is quite easy to see. I use it all the time for that. My KDR is almost 3.
The scope is completely OP and makes the game into a non-battlefield title. I feel like I’m using force vision. All I need now is force push.
If ANY part of their body is exposed to your line of sight, they can still be seen even in the bush. Compared to regular sights, that small portion cannot be distinguished as a person at all.
IRNV is like a texture hack. Completely blocking line of sight is the only counter, but it counters every other sight. So, IRNV is the sovereign weapon sight.
Oh and by the way, know the truth before you post.
Yeah, but that is kinda what its used for…….
It doesnt work when you’re behind rocks.
If anything DICE needs to take the silencer off the dreaming M249 because that’s just stupid. It would jam the weapon and cause it to explode
Well, some of the things don’t make sense, but I suppose they aren’t that savvy with weapons. For one, most snipers come with flash suppressor as standard and as part of the weapon and as of now there is just a pretty little shape on the end of the muzzle that serves no purpose.
Dreaming? Do ur research. it is possible to equip a m249 with a silencer
I don’t like it that much so what ever they do to it I don’t care
hmm, i think it’s useful and easy to use, but not overpowered at all, tactical light is the biggest problem.
Dumb. Obviously people don’t understand how IR/Thermal optics work in the real world.
If you haven’t noticed battlefield 3 is not real life. IT IS A VIDEO GAME! Anyways, DICE seems like they really wan’t to make the game as great as possible. If the company is willing to balance weapons/tweaks that they created, it shows that DICE agrees with what the gamers have said.
in real life, using the IRNV in daylight would literally blind you. its actually close to 80% inaccurate. how can the sun not give the same effect as a faroff soldier?
“Waaahh… they need to nerf the Sun, waaahh.”
lol it is op, and thats why i use it, hopefully things are more balanced after this patch tho
Is it “OP” hard to say however based off how it’s supposed to be used. Aka low light situations. Then No however it currently can be used in any situation which does make it slightly “OP”.
Which really means you need a crutch to be successful. ;P
Yes! An excellent idea would be to temporarily blind you in large flashes of light, similar to night vision goggles. That way, it’s still useful, and more realistic.
+1. Overpowered Flashlight Crutch ftw!
too bad its a thermal scope… the flashlight wouldn’t radiate enough heat to blind them through the scope.
u shouldnt be able to use night vision scope in the day time makes no sense. tactical light also no light is brighter than the sun.
Well, you’re wrong. Prospectively speaking, a high-end flashlight (Military/Police grade) uses an optical imaging system that focuses all off the energy and light into one very small section, causing it to temporarily blind anyone that looks at it. Comparatively to the sun, which is more diffused, this light is perceptually much brighter. Not to mention a plethora of stars and other suns that emit 10x more light than our sun will ever produce.
Totaly google search
but it isn’t a nightvision scope its a thermal meaning light shouldn’t affect it only heat
Go play Predator Vs Alien!
Just make the irnv like it was on the beta, period.
Well said. If you like shooting at yellow blobs so much, go play AvP.
If you ask me, the people complaining about the IRNV nerf are people who can’t get kills with a regular weapon.
Exactly!
hm..
There’s no problem with the IRNV. I barely use since its only 1x.
1x makes it even stronger. It means you can easily SCAN the map for yellow blobs. With it, you no longer need to rely on a 4x ACOG to get a better picture of analyzing and searching for enemies, while still retaining a larger field of view.
Hmm..
What to Nerf List.
Nerf Flashlight : Check
Nerf Mortar : Check
Nerf Infrared scope : Check
Nerf Laser Sight : Upcoming
Nerf all attachment that can improve a weapon somehow : Upcoming.
Hilarious how these shit kids gets their will..
I haven’t even bothered using the scope, because i dont think it’s “OP”.. there is flames everywhere, gunfire, nades and flashlight which makes you see nothing.. where is the OP’ness in that?
If you never used it, you just talk about something you dont know. And you said, you dont use it since it’s not OP… Clearly, you are defending your “OP’ness” here. Go play with your IRNV and your flashlight with bots you game troll.
enough with troll, it’s not cool anymore. everyone needs to use a different catch term. Maybe something a little more creative. I would suggest ducher, or pillow biter.
Dont care. Go tchat with someone else, “Troll”.
Amen dirk
2 bad there is no stats for IRNV, then i could prove to u “troll” that i dont use it, nor do i use Flashlight. i prefer stuff that helps the accuracy & Mags and not scopes which gives me a green UI.
But still can’t see whats op, complaining about u can see people in a tree, well when you go out in the summer, don’t tell me you can’t see those guys through the leafs on a tree.. then i suggest u go to the Optician and gets a pair of glasses.
And.. i guess your one of those who are for nerfing everything
makes this game become more and more like Failure WoW, which got nerfed to hell.
Yeah, put me in a box, i’m part of the bad guys. Douchebag.
You haven’t used it and yet you’re going to claim a person sees nothing with it? Grenades, gunfire, etc, make no matter at all, they don’t interfere one bit. It works that you see everything through a completely green lens and soldiers appear in a solid yellow, and nothing happens to every change that – it’s always the same. Even flashlights don’t effect it, a flashlight may still be pointed right at your but you’ll see the soldier before you in solid yellow, that’s actually the biggest reason I use it.
I’m not saying it’s overpowered or should be nerfed, etc, I’m just saying it’s ridiculous for you to say what it can or cannot do and at the same time say you’ve never actually used it.
Actually, you are wrong. Gunfire, explosions, flames, etc all negatively affect the IRNV. I regularly get blinded by flashlights while using IRNV.
I do too, except it only blocks out a small portion slightly larger than their body size.
Staring at a flashlight without IRNV blocks out your entire screen.
I think it’s way too powerful. I use it myself. Way too easy to spot enemies and kill them. They should make it impossible to use in daylight, too bright for example
Oh, your one of those guys who want it enabled on 1 map in the game, why not juts remove it totally + rest of the attachments, that would make it fair right?
Dude are you serious IR is supposed to be easily to spot out enemies like in tehran highway everything is cold because its at night and it is easy to spot out a enemy that is like 40f hotter than the ground. But i will agree with you on day maps that it would be imposible to see because a real IR scope would be blob looking through the scope because everything is about the same temp.
Infrared isn’t just thermal imaging, its a combo of thermal imaging and infrared light. and you’re crazy to think it doesn’t work in daylight… all these damn commentors and complainers try and put together an argument based off of things they don’t even know and just made up in their own mind. Learn about something before you guys go throwing ideas and jump to conclusions
i didint say thermal i said inferred
Even if it is realistic that an IRNV sight can detect enemies so easy even in broad daylight is not an excuse to keep it as it is. The problem here is that it does’nt WORK with the game design. The whole thing about cover such as bushes, smoke and trees is just that, to COVER you. Either from sight or from physical damage.
Having an item like that in a game like this where you depend on strategic options like flanking, destroys the game. Cause that is what battlefield stands for.
I understand if it works with other playtypes than TDM. But serously, TDM is screwed to hell because of this attachment.
Doesn’t anyone think that DICE can gather the same knowledge as Trav dog? this is how the scope will probably be nerfed, making the ground and surrounding on maps during the day appear in a similar color as enemies. What else could they possibly do? make the thing sway more?
No, have faith in your dev.
Dude are you serious IR is supposed to be easily to spot out enemies like in tehran highway everything is cold because its at night and it is easy to spot out a enemy that is like 40f hotter than the ground. But i will agree with you on day maps that it would be imposible to see because a real IR scope would be blob looking through the scope because everything is about the same temp.
Did u ever know IRNV in real life? IRNV is not like night vision. And it works for daylight too.
Ummm… I’m not sure you’ve used one in real life… I have… the CLU for the javelin missile system and the M240B/.50 ma duce… if you attempt to view something during the day where the temps are actually higher than human body temp… you won’t see shit. Also if you even use at NIGHT right after the sun went down and it’s still residually hot, you won’t see shit!!!
So stfu if you haven’t really used one in real life and stop pretending like you have!
Nicely said!
Nobody care about real life. It’s a game. Next time you die, uninstall the game, in real life you would be dead so, enough with army boys wannabee.
you need to go die.
Well… Despite that it’s like a wallhack, another issue is that it reduces the recoil greatly… It’s indeed, overpowered.
No matter if you play on daylight or at night… It’s equally useful. If we make the sum, something is wrong, don’t you think?
1. Reduces Recoil
2. You see enemies everywhere at great distance
3. It doesn’t react at all to daylight.
If the game was 1080 with better contrast and more color bit then we I would´nt use the Thermal Scope. But lets be serious on the consoles is hard to distinguish enemies at all.
Btw why the land mines can be seen with the IRVN???
Fix he god dammed HUD, can believe how many times I have stop shooting the enemy because a green or blue triangle was on top.
I think the idea of how IR’s can spot not only people, but claymores and mines (and apparently C4, but I haven’t seen this or heard of it) is because of the way “Infra Red” optics are made. This applies to all weapons/vehicles, etc.
It uses whatever it does to pick up the heat off people the same way as the mines/claymores. Those things are packed full of atoms and such that would be really condensed. If you think about it – the AT Mine would have to have a lot of heat (aka whatever they call it scientifically) in it to be able to fuck up a tank.
Uhh no..mine detection via EO -electro optical scopes etc is because of the temperature variations between the ground/soil type and the better thermal conductiveness of your average AT mine. This applies to BURIED mines,so as BF3 ones arent buried,as per real life they are much easier to spot.
I love using mines and am still surprised at the amount of careless apc/tank drivers i catch out..always brings a smile to my face,and lots of easy points;)
well excited (energetic) electrons emit heat. So, if there is an active mine, it would emit some low-frequency charge to sense it’s environment, and if the charge reflects off of something and rebounds back to the sensor, it would explode. So the IRNV is probably seeing the low-power charges being emitted as a sensor. Then again, could just be to spot AT mines easier, seeing as if the mines were realistic, they would also kill humans that disrupt the frequency.
Really?? That unbalanced? I’ve got one on several kits, but it’s not like I’m going 85-3 K/D. Instead of the knee-jerk reaction of changing it, why not just let folks learn to play the game. If you don’t have one, use cover in your approach to a base, instead of running through the open blasting aways…Ugggg
Good advice, I’ll use cover to keep my infiltration subtle when everyone isn’t equipped with legitimized hacks that makes hiding in textures obsolete.
@ Moy…We have these in the military, that we can use during the day. If DICE didn’t want them they should have re-made BF1942. And it’s not like EVERYONE can’t have one. Not to mention, even with one, you have to understand ballistics to hit at range.
The entire purpose is to find players with it. The fact that it’s a queer setting of 1x zoom and you have to hold your breath balance it. I’m sorry but this is in no way an issue, the only time the INV scope really helps is finding campers in the trees and if your camping and fail to see some idiot charging at you with a shotgun then it’s your fault. The real issue here is the lack of light balance. I find it near impossible to see into buildings on maps like Metro and Crossing due to the lighting difference. Also, why is the Flashlight as bright as the sun but it lights up rooms less than a dirty light bulb?
the IRNV scope + M16a4 = a fucking map hack
Glad to hear it. I’m perfectly fine if they just make it so it actually matches its description and keep it the same in dark places. It’s just getting annoying to see every person that killed me is using an IR scope on any weapon, in any situation.
Jesus Christ you people complain about everything. The IFNV scope is already balanced. You lose a all peripheral vision and and you can’t see enemies in the distance. It only works up to 100 meters, after that you just see dark green. It makes you useless in engagements closer than 20 meters and further than 100 meters.
Stop tweaking stuff that is fine and add backblast to RPGs so that noobs stop shooting them in CQC indoors!
RPG backblast is a great idea, will cut down maps like Metro being turned into rocket central and make players actually think about their positioning in relation to their teammates.
lol you think thats gonna make people think before they shoot a rocket?
no, thats just gonna get ur ass killed when he steps in front of you and lets in fly.
lets it fly*
did you really use it? i can see ppl stand over 300-500m and kill them easily.
even i use LMG i can snipe ppl very very easy
I’m so sad.
speaking of game balance, does anyone know if the USAS-12 and Saiga 12k is as OP as they were in Bad Company 2?
They were not OP in BC2. I think they sucked actually. I could take people out with my M416 or M249 way better than people running around spamming shells.
As for the USAS-12 with frag ammo, it’s completely OP on maps like Grand Bazaar. Especially if you use a suppression perk. You won’t even see where you are being owned from.
seriously? i think they were waay overpowered in BC2, in close range you only had to put the crosshair over an enemy and fire and the enemy died after 1-3 shots. everyone i have talked to think they were OP, even those who used them. but yeah, in long range they mostly become useless unless you have the slugs spec, but who the hell sacrifie the lightweight pack for the slugs?
i think your thinking of the neostead.
You’re kidding? The slugs were the things that were over powered. One kill anyone from across the map regardless of distance(no bullet drop). A shotgun killing you in one to 3 shots at close range seems fine since you can’t kill anything pass that without great effort.
Agreed on the slugs. I killed snipers all of the time with the 870 and slugs. In a short amount of time, I used the 870 and had 2100 kills with it, 38% accuracy, and I used to mess around and shoot stuff just to break windows and doors. Totally OP so I stopped using it.
I usually just used my M416 (4,251 kills).
I think shotguns are mostly balanced in BF3 except for frag ammo (only 60 kills). USAS-12 + Frag + IRNV + Flashlight = Forget about it, join that persons team, or find another server because you’re screwed.