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On July 5th, 2011 in News, Videos


DICE has been avoiding the question of Battlefield 3 mod tools on the PC ever since the game was revealed, often giving vague answers like “we don’t know” or “nothing has been announced”. Now DICE executive Patrick Soderlund, speaking to German Gamestar magazine (via Battlefieldo), said that Battlefield 3 would not be getting any mod tools. Soderlund’s reasoning was:

It’s going to be very difficult for people to mod the game, because of the nature of the set up of levels, of the destruction and all those things… it’s quite tricky. So we think it’s going to be too big of a challenge for people to make a mod.

DICE previously stated a number of reasons why Bad Company 2 didn’t have any mod tools, chief of which was that it too was complex. Furthermore, the Frostbite engine features a number of licensed third party technologies, which DICE cannot give out for free with mod tools — they’ll have to get another, much more expensive license in order to offer mod tools.

While it’s easy to get disappointed at DICE for not offering mod tools, bear in mind that the Frostbite engine is very complex, with its physics, destruction, animations, lighting and so on — if it’s complex for professional developers like DICE, it’s probably complex for modders as well. In the end, DICE main objective is to deliver a great game first, and who knows, maybe we’ll see mod tools for BF3 one day.



62 COMMENTS & TRACKBACKS

  1. bacix
    July 5th, 2011 at 6:52 pm

    i expected that to happen.

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  2. bryan
    July 5th, 2011 at 7:17 pm

    no suprise

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  3. Fritiof
    July 5th, 2011 at 7:49 pm

    He looks like austin powers

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    • Dubstep Transformer
      July 5th, 2011 at 8:18 pm

      Yeah baby…

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  4. PaulC2K
    July 5th, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    Yeah, quite understandable i guess. Though it’ll be spun by a fair few as money grabbing so its only their DLC you can buy, but BC2 was no different and they offered a load of free content, and 1 paid DLC, so not like they want free reign over milking their customer base.

    What i’d love to see as a solution would be an authorised BF3 Dev kit, complete with license to use those items, and groups who’ve made BF2 mods in the past, or other games based on say UT engines, could pay to create mods within BF3, and have DICE/License holder take a percentage of the sales of the mods via EA’s Origin.
    It gives small groups a platform to develop and the distribution & sale of it, and EA/Dice/licence holders take a cut for their part.
    The community win by getting a diverse range of mods, like we had in BF2.
    Probably too complicated to sort out, but would be a nice solution for everyone.

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  5. maxbox99
    July 5th, 2011 at 8:51 pm

    Then I guess I wont buy a new PC to play Project Reality on BF3. That really sucks. PR on BF3 would have been the summum. And it would sell games. I think its a bad reason though. Who are they to decide if its too hard or not to mod? Modders wont be happy.

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    • Dubstep Transformer
      July 5th, 2011 at 9:03 pm

      Who are they to decide? They made the game. That gives them the right to do whatever they want.

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      • maxbox99
        July 5th, 2011 at 9:26 pm

        Are they the ones doing the mods? No. They decided not to make mod tools because they “suppose” its gonna be to hard for modders to make mods while they have no idea about it. I think its not a good reason. Go ahead Im waiting for you to bash me.

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      • PrivatePimmel
        July 5th, 2011 at 9:40 pm

        @Maxbox99:

        If they say it´s too difficult, i think it is! Who else than the developers know best what knowledge is needed to actually do something playable.

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      • Dubstep Transformer
        July 5th, 2011 at 9:44 pm

        ^^^^^^^ No, he bashed you for me. Thanks PrivatePimmel! :D

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      • maxbox99
        July 5th, 2011 at 9:48 pm

        Its not about if the developpers know what knowledge is needed, its about if they know what knowledge the modders have. Let me remake my question, Who are they to know if modders have the knowledge or not to mod BF3? Modders are also game makers, if they really want, they will mod a game. I think thats not the main reason why they do not release mod tools, and that they are somewhat hiding it.

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        • Mulen
          July 31st, 2011 at 9:28 am

          Being professional game developers and having the insight to the complexity of their OWN game engine probably makes them the only ones that can make that call.

          Surely there will be lots more people that will troll about this being a way for them to milk some cash, but in the same sentance you are trapped in your own stupid argument. If there was a way DiCE would make it happen, because they would greatly benefit from it too… (Doh!)

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      • plumokin
        July 6th, 2011 at 3:29 am

        i dont think the issue here is “is it too hard to mod?”. To the people who are complaining, they made the engine and if they do or dont release it is their choice. theyve decided not to, so if u really want to mod it, ur gonna have to get a license. i dont think anything anyone says will change that atm

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      • maxbox99
        July 6th, 2011 at 3:34 am

        People buy games for mods. I wouldve bought a new PC and PC version of BF3 if there was a project reality mod on BF3. I dont understand why they wouldnt release it. Remember that BF2 mod tools were released after the game. It could happen once again…

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      • PrivatePimmel
        July 6th, 2011 at 7:09 am

        Well maybe it happens again, but my opinion stays the same. I´m a programmer myself and sometimes it´s just too complex for the customer to change things by himself. That´s the point where it gets to a CMS but that costs more time for the developers. I think DICE could do something like that too, but that would cost time, which they currently don´t have. I´ve heard from a source inside DICE, that they´re still working hard on BF3 and actually cant hold the release date, but they have to and it will be like BC2 that they will bring out many patches afterwards. Back to the point, I think another reason is, that they want to sell their own DLC´s. Modding and Custom maps would destroy that. Why pay something if you can get something different (and maybe better) for free. That´s where the great idea of PaulC2K would fit in perfectly. Anyway didnt mean to bash anyone :P

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        • LogiQue
          July 30th, 2011 at 7:23 am

          Why dont give a chance? Who the hell they think the are to us how bad we are with programming? Think about it. The truth is somewhere else. Don’t let them to manipulate you.

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      • LogiQue
        July 30th, 2011 at 7:32 am

        It looks like you are one of the milions of manipulated muppets. If dice will say: JUMP! u will ask “how high” If others would like to play something more realistic than BF3 is atm why not let them? Cause you said so? And who are You?

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    • LogiQue
      July 30th, 2011 at 7:19 am

      MAXBOX99
      cant you see? U are talking to bunch of muppets. When dice will say: “milk is black” they will belive it. The truth is that BF3 is CONSOLIZED! I had hope for BF3 PR but it looks like we lost that battle. Rambo style, no commander, 4 classes and arcade BC3 is coming. Such a shame!

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  6. frank
    July 5th, 2011 at 9:28 pm

    nice how he got around the commander question, talking about the squatleaders…

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    • BF3Blog
      July 5th, 2011 at 10:24 pm

      I noticed that too. DICE are getting good at dodging hard questions :)

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  7. TreeHumpingFrog
    July 5th, 2011 at 10:02 pm

    When will we see more gameplay?

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  8. TioVinagre
    July 5th, 2011 at 10:28 pm

    we need to talk whith anonymous and they hack the EA/DICE servers untel release the MOD tools

    XD!!!

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    • Doctalen
      July 5th, 2011 at 10:37 pm

      Even if you are joking that’s not funny. Anon and Lulzsec are asshats.

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      • plumokin
        July 6th, 2011 at 3:29 am

        @doc agreed

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    • TioVinagre
      July 6th, 2011 at 8:25 am

      ok, but we need a tool to press them as with DLC SpecAct bonus. PC gamers need to organizated!! BF3 without MODs ¿? no way

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  9. Richard Y
    July 5th, 2011 at 10:36 pm

    Damn was really hoping for a Nations at war mod for BF3 :D :D

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  10. Joesmithy
    July 5th, 2011 at 11:19 pm

    You guys who are supportive of Dice/EA need to stop being so caught up in the hype and realize that the criticism for the game will be better for it in the long run. This guy is laughable to come up with such a stupid excuse for not including mod tools. If you seriously trust that the “technology is too complex for modders” then maybe you should go play Counter Strike or Desert Combat and see how much popularity those mods generated for their respective games.

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    • maxbox99
      July 6th, 2011 at 12:20 am

      Exactly what I think. Thank you sir. I think BF3 will be a great game, just like I thought about BC1. I seriously thought it would be the greatest game at that time, but I was disapointed. What I’m saying is don’t get your hopes to high or you may drop a long way. If it’s better then what you thought, then perfect.

      Also I hope you guys aren’t super excited about all that pre-order bonus crap? It’s just a marketing strategy. Nothing is “free”. It could all be included in the game first place. Thing is it’s way more attractive to pre-order a game if there are bonuses. Don’t forget that when you pre-order, you don’t know if the game will be good or not. The game may suck, but it’s already too late since you pre-ordered. Of course I don’t think BF3 will suck, but I thought the same thing with BC1…

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      • Dubstep Transformer
        July 6th, 2011 at 1:31 am

        It’s not the fact that it’s more attractive because there are so many bonuses, it’s the fact that they stated that BF3 WILL have 3x the DLC as BC2, and BC2 had ALOT of DLC. And you really shouldn’t base your opinions of why not to get so hyped over past experiences *BC1* becuase Frostbite 2 has already showed so much promise and is just going to completely take over. I mean, come on, the evidence is right in front of your face, and you still choose not to anticipate the game all because of some old game that was running off of Current engine technology instead of Futuristic and Realistic technology.

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      • Dubstep Transformer
        July 6th, 2011 at 1:32 am

        BC1 in the first place was just supposed to be a new twist to the franchise, it wasn’t a great twist, but it was entertaining. It wasn’t supposed to be a revolutionary game, it was mean’t for both the PC and the Console audience so they could expand the company’s net worth.

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      • maxbox99
        July 6th, 2011 at 3:15 am

        You dont get it of course I anticipate this game. With BC1, what I was waitin for was a BF2 with destruction, and was disapointed. Now thats basically what Im waiting for with bf3, but with alot more since it will use this beautiful FB2 engine. Youre right though I shouldnt base on what happened with BC1… Im just saying its always better not to get your hopes to high, even if we all know BF3 is going to be awesome. Cant wait to see 64 players conquest maps gameplay…

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      • plumokin
        July 6th, 2011 at 3:32 am

        dont have high hopes? everyone had high hopes and wen the game was revealed, people were blown away, even with high hopes. i think either way, even i fppl dont get some stuff they want, they’ll be blown away by the experience

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  11. "As of now..." 2:04
    July 6th, 2011 at 2:23 am

    As the name states, with enough support & persecution the community can at least receive a proper response rather than this on the spot game-show. Boycotting/angry feedback is EA’s & Dice’s black-eye that they tend to cover up. What also has to be stressed is the fact that Dice has been working on this game engine about 3-4yrs, if it’s as good as they say it is then why give it away to your competitors. Licensing & distributing FB 2.0 SDK is a great idea but would be ultimately leaked onto torrents..

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  12. Bloodmuffins
    July 6th, 2011 at 3:10 am

    I think everyone is taking this out of context. They have repeatedly stated there would be no mod tools at the moment and the CEO said they would be looking into making mod tools available after release (remember this was also true for BF2)

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    • plumokin
      July 6th, 2011 at 3:33 am

      exactly. i also think that complaining now, before they have given a permanent and clear yes or no, will do nothing

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  13. Dubstep Transformer
    July 6th, 2011 at 4:12 am

    Everyone should go to Modernwarfare3.com to see something interesting. Some battlefield fans hacked the webstie and put up shit about how bad MW3 is and everything, and mentions how battlefield is better than MW3 all over the site. Check it out.

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    • plumokin
      July 6th, 2011 at 7:45 am

      i laughed so hard XDXDXD and to everyone else, just look at the above site and be happy

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    • Th3blur
      July 17th, 2011 at 4:41 pm

      LOL how big was the site?

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  14. Freeman
    July 6th, 2011 at 6:02 am

    Frostbite 2 uses all sorts of middleware like Havok, they can’t just give that away, they have to get a more expensive license for all the middleware software for modders. It’s too expensive, and DICE is probably right in saying that it’s too complex as well.

    Sure, I’d love to see mod tools, but first priority is still BF3, as 99.9% of BF3 owners would never use the mod tools anyway. Would you spend millions of $ on licensing middleware so just 0.1 percent of you users would be satisfied?

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    • Dubstep Transformer
      July 6th, 2011 at 6:34 am

      Great point, you are totally right man.

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      • s0beit
        July 29th, 2011 at 7:39 am

        No, he isn’t totally right. The Source Engine uses Havok too, they skated around the problem quite easily by making a barrier between the software they can license, and the software they can’t. The Havok implementation is buried in files you can’t modify, but you can modify the source engine itself to your heart’s content.

        There is no reason they couldn’t develop an abstraction layer of software besides lack of motivation or refusal to spend money on it.

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        • LogiQue
          July 30th, 2011 at 8:37 am

          Great point, you are totally right man!

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  15. Zetarn
    July 6th, 2011 at 6:33 am

    It’s not about complex or what.
    They just can’t release a brand-new Frost Bite 2.0 engine for free

    If you need a mod tool of this engine? , try asking with a big load of your money. That’s all

    DICE decide to keep this engine for their own use only, so the modding tools are not an option here.

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  16. legoingrdaproplayer
    July 6th, 2011 at 12:30 pm

    Fuck mod-tools, I want map editor.

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    • PrivatePimmel
      July 6th, 2011 at 2:12 pm

      Would be awesome indeed, but a bit the same as with the mod-tools, they want to sell their DLCs first ;)

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  17. sgtmoody1944
    July 6th, 2011 at 2:58 pm

    While I am disappointed that they will not release mod tools for this game, I do agree that this may be better in the long run because I do believe DICE is using licensed technology in their Frostbite 2 engine. Allowing people to tweak this would, I think, result in some of the trade secrets being leaked, possibly resulting in actual improvements to the engine of Modern Warfare 20 (shocking, I know). Yes, Battlefield will probably be light years ahead by then, but every little bit of retained trade secrets helps keep Battlefield the vastly superior series.

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  18. Richard Y
    July 6th, 2011 at 4:59 pm

    If they want to prove that BF3 isnt all about the money with there “new direction” then they need to prove it by giving these genious’s who create mods what ever they need to do it. Bf2 lasted so long becuase of its mods and maps.

    They keep talking about a new direction if thats doing what ever it takes to get the sales that activision are getting by making it more like cod then i think they will quickly loose this massive amount of routing for the underdog support currently going on for bf3, everyones going to buy a copy. Dont just pocket the dosh like activision and its over priced map packs.

    Its funny bf3 wants to be like cod and cod wants to be like bf3 its enough to make you weep…

    bf3 should never settle for normal

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    • bacix
      July 6th, 2011 at 5:46 pm

      i completely agree

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  19. CoolyFrost
    July 6th, 2011 at 6:45 pm

    Everybody calm the fuck down. Mods aren’t everything. They’re right that if they released mod tools very few people would use it because many few people have all of that knowledge. Which means we’ll have about 10 mods to play with (way more added playability right?). Plus they’ll have to spend ton of money for all the lincensing just for those 10 mods.

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    • Richard Y
      July 6th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

      And how much money do you think they will be getting from bf3 sales…

      Black ops which was crap made more than 1 billion usd in its first 6 weeks….

      you and them are seriously underestimating modders abilitys….. and determination

      I just cant back an arguement that it would cost to much money, when its poised to out gross black ops. Thats what cod did 1 billion earned and mw2 is still the same engine…

      you cant have ago at us we are just reacting to a comment saying they dont have the money … which by the end of november will be completely false.

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  20. ojrask
    July 7th, 2011 at 8:33 am

    They can’t even release a god damn level editor for making custom maps without any modding of the engine? :|

    Games with level editors are expected to have an additional 2-3 years of good game time online when players themselves create additional content for free.

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  21. mayrbek
    July 7th, 2011 at 10:36 am

    well thats why i wont be getting bf3 now
    i had my hopes high but they just dissapointed alot of fans
    i think ill get skyrim instead with the lidl money i got

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    • PrivatePimmel
      July 7th, 2011 at 3:24 pm

      What only because of the missing mod tool? :D You´re no big Battlefield fan i presume? I mean the Multiplayer alone would be worth the money (compared to the 60$ MW2 Addon called MW3).

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  22. ReaperX
    July 7th, 2011 at 4:15 pm

    If anyone needs help with picking parts for a custom PC, building a PC, suggestions, or anything else, you can hit me up at reaper2794@gmail.com, Please email me as I dont get notifications for replies! Id love to help! You dont have to know anything about building a computer, Ill help you from start to finish :) !

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  23. Freeman
    July 9th, 2011 at 5:37 am

    As few have mentioned, I think a map editor would be a far more useful tool than mod tools.

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  24. cevon
    July 20th, 2011 at 7:05 am

    I agree 100%

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  25. LogiQue
    July 29th, 2011 at 8:30 pm

    No Commander, 4 classes, Arcade crap.

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